pit bull terrier

[katy_harvey]

A few months back my boyfriend was saying how his brothers friend had came to visit with his new puppy, he was describing it & as I know the guy he was on about I came to the conclusion it was probably a pit bull terrier. Anyways, on Friday night I went down to the shop and outside I saw this lovely white puppy, who was wagging its tail and was so excited, so I went up and gave it a pat and a little attention! So when I saw the guy coming out of the shop and untying the pup, I realised it kinda looked like the OH bro's friend. I then also realised the dog was infact a Pit Bull terrier (illegal in the uk).
Today I spoke to the OH and asked if the guys dog was white and he said yes. I knew it!! Haha, lovely little dog though I do like Pit Bull terriers and wish they werent banned! I believe that if someone wants to own a Pit Bull the person should go through an interview process or something to make sure they are capable of owning one & to not use it for fighting etc!

Also a few weeks back I was walking Harvey and this big dog came bounding up to me, it was also a PBT! I asked the owner what breed it was and he was just like "oh its a Staffy x American Bull Dog" Yes ok then... thats what it is... . I never actually realised there was so many of them around here, I've seen a few a never realised until after.

I would love a PBT, if I could train it properly and if they werent illegal, oh well I can dream

[Toddsmom]

I wish all pet owners and parents had to go through strict testing in order to have either one. Wont ever happen, but there would be a lot more loved and wanted children and pets!

[katy_harvey]

Thats what I thought to! Especially parents, I mean people who adopt & foster children have to go through lots of interview process, yet any waste of space can have a child and neglect it... I don't see the logic!

[Arizahn]

How come you only realised the cute puppy was a pit bull after you saw who owned it?
Shadow was mistaken for a pit bull cross as a puppy...she is collie/whippet cross labrador.

I'm tired of dogs being stereotyped by breed. The KC should hang its collective heads in shame. The meanest dog I ever met was a Lhasa Apso, followed closely by a poodle. I've met some lovely bull terriers, and some nasty labradors. My neighbour has three lovely rottweilers. My sister has a jack russel terror - I mean terrier, no actually I meant terror, lol!
It's down to how the dogs are bred (temperament/health of their specific parents), and how they are raised (breeders/owner's). In other words, if you have a bad dog there is a worse human somewhere in its history.

[wolftexas]

Tallulah is a little mix but still very American Pit Bull Terrier. Her mother was a papered red nose pit from the Colby lines and her father was a pit bull german shepherd cross. I've had her since she was 8 weeks old and now she is 10 years old!!! I love my girl and she does well with all of my fosters. She works strictly under the rules of if you don't start nothing there won't be nothing!

Punish the deed, not the breed.

[kglacer]

If they are illegal where you live, how do these people have them/walk about with them? What are the consequences for owning one? That's nuts!

My friend has a pitbull and he's a great dog! A terror in the sense of energy and she hasn't trained him all that well, but a sweetheart none the less!! My other friend has an amstaff who is a lap dog!

I am really suprised that places have actually banned breeds - you would think it is common sense that these dogs aren't BORN this way.... I guess two fighting pitbulls breed - does it breed a fighting puppy even if the puppy is never exposed to it? Anyways, I'm ignorant on the topic fact wise but I believe it is definitely how the dog is raised, unless they have some unfortunate problem that is a mental problem.

[wolftexas]

Pit bulls were bred originally to bait bulls. They were put in to aggravate the bull before the matador came in so the bull would be mad and put on a better show. They were used in butcher shops to hold large animals for slaughter. They were fought against one another as being the gladiator of the dog world. This is their history.

Asking a pit bull not to fight is like asking a border collie not to herd.

Now think about it. There are plenty of borders out there that are common pets or strictly agility or fly ball champs that have curbed that herding instinct into other things. It takes time, patients, consistency, and hard work.

My Tallulah allows other animals into MY house because she respects me. She knows she is not supposed to bite our guests. Sometimes she has to be reminded. She is not scolded but rather reminded to be nice. If another dog keeps pestering when she doesn't want to be pestered she will retreat to her box or bed. She snuggled in my chair last night with me and a little rescue dog I currently have and she plays tug with Raider.

Instinct. If it wasn't for her I would have come home to several dead dogs in my yard about a year ago. The neighbor had a fighting dog. He was scared from one end to the other and had to be kept separate from even their small dog because he attacked everything in site. My neighbor is a moron. He has a deck built around one of those above ground pools that he put up right next to my fence. This guy lives to piss me off. Well one day his dog got loose from the small area it was fenced off in and immediately headed for the deck and OVER MY FENCE!

I was at work when my grandma called me. I had 3 dogs in my backyard at the time. Tallulah, Busa a german shepherd pit mix with bad hips, and Fable a catahoula rescue. This neighbor dog came over with the intent to kill everything in my backyard. Talluah did not let that happen. It took me 10 minutes to get from where I worked to home. Grandma was afraid to go outside. Tallulah was standing at my back fence with this dog's neck still in her mouth. She would not release until I was there. I called her from the porch and told her to drop it. She let go of the now very lifeless dog and walked slowly to the porch. The poor girl was shaken considerably. There were no wounds on Busa or Fable. Talluah only had minor wounds that I was able to clean up at home. Animal control was called to pick up the dead dog in my yard. I bleached the area where it had been and they sent the head off since THE ******* dog was NOT vaccinated. (Have I mentioned how much I LOVE my neighbor???) Luckily it came back rabies negative (we have very few cases a year but still you never know with an animal that is not vaccinated).

It took awhile to convince my dogs it was safe to spend time in their backyard again. I hate my neighbor. Even after all that though Tallulah is still trusting of new dogs I bring home. If you don't start nothing there won't be nothing.

I also used to have a bird dog that would jump my fence and visit my kids. He was always nice when he came over and was allowed to visit. I have a 5-1/2 ft cinder block fence and metal privacy gate, you'd think that would be enough...

[Arizahn]

Tallulah is a very pretty dog, Wolftexas Very clever eyes too.
Totally agree with punish the deed, not the breed. The whole banned breeds was a knee jerk reaction to some kids being mauled back in the eighties/nineties. It started off rotties were being labelled as devil dogs, ended up with a list of banned and restricted breeds.
Some of these are outright banned, others can be kept under strict guidelines...but no one actually knows how to define a pitbull. So basically, if your dog looks like a pitbull in someone's opinion, they can report it. If the police agree it looks like a pitbull, they will take your dog away. If you are very lucky, the courts may rule in your favour and return your pet...but chances are that it will no longer be the pet you remember. The stress of living in kennels will have taken their toll. Your dog will also never be allowed off lead or without muzzle outside of your house again. This includes if it is in a crate in your car, btw! And it will have to be neutered/spayed.
Most people can't afford the court costs, so the dogs are PTS. Even if they aren't actually pitbulls.
And your dog's past behaviour doesn't matter. Just its appearance.

There was a family in our area who bought a puppy from their neighbour. Its mother was a fully papered KC registered boxer. Its father was a whippet. The puppy was seized when it was eight months old. Thankfully, they got it back but it's situations like this that show how stupid the system is.

[kglacer]

god that makes me sick.... I mean I get the general idea of trying to prevent an injury before it happens....which is funny because I just watched the Minority Report movie last night lol which prevents crimes before it happens, and as in the movie, the system had it's major flaw and innocent people were being arrested!!!

The thought of an innocent dog being put to sleep or even going through that scenario just because of what breed it is or may resemble, makes me angry. I guess the thought of a vicious dog hurting someone should make me angry too.....and it does but there needs to be a better system some how and I think that strict testing before people get their hands on pets should be there!! BUT then again there is always ways around it too....gosh now I'm frustrated LOL

[Arizahn]

I am determined to let the world know the truth about Britain and Northern Ireland's shameful animal secrets!
One post at a time...

[katy_harvey]

I must have put my view across wrong here! Haha... I LOVE LOVE LOVE pit bulls! & I don't think the breed is the problem I think the sort of people (around here) who own them are the problem. I didn't realise it was a Pit Bull till I got in the car to go home, because I was to busy going "OMG CUTE PUPPY" in my head haha then I thought, hmmm that was that guy.. & that was deffo a pit bull!

Also I have no idea how they are available over here, some people breed them I guess... And the penalty is to have your dog taken away and euthanised! Maybe a jail sentence or a fine. Unless you can prove the dog is not a threat to society, then the dog must be muzzled and put on a lead when out. But nobody will ever find out because most people don't realise they are seeing one and even if the police were to walk past it they wouldn't care unless it was being aggresive etc.

Anyways, I am going to read the rest of the comments

[katy_harvey]

Right, read all the comments haha, YES PUNISH THE DEED! I watched this documentary on youtube "my dog is a weapon" about how all these youths were getting dogs to use as protection. One boy, loved his rottweiler to pieces, it was well trained, came back when he told it to, did everything he said, but if he told her to attack, it would attack. But you could tell the love he had for the dog, he had nowhere to live because the council wouldn't let him move in any houses with his dog and he repeatedly told them to shove it! Now, I thought he was admirable (minus the attack dog part)! However there was some really horrible people on the documentary, a boy who had a Pit Bull terrier, who trained it to attack, by giving it a live rabbit in a public park and letting it rip it to shreds. A girl had a Staffy, and it was very aggresive and one guy even had a dog de bordeaux that he used for protection. I was like "really a dog de bordeaux?".

Anyways, those people should be fined, have their dog taken away from them and banned from owning animals. The dog should have atleast have tried to be rehabilitated, even if it hadn't worked they could have tried.

I also watched another documentary it was Panorama one (any one from the UK will have heard of this) and it was undercover in the dog fighting ring. They showed how easy it was to import a PBT into the UK by sayin it was a Boxer/Lab or a American Bull Dog/Labrador. So it's apparently not that hard to get it in the country.

And as Arizahn said, it was all down to some people getting mauled by a few dogs in the late 80s early 90s.

I am going to get that documentary and post it on here for you to watch it was a total eye opener to the scum in Britain!! Lol.

Theres a few petitions actually for "don't ban the breed" and I have signed one lol not that it will help .

Anyways, I don't think I've got more to add, but if PBT weren't banned I'd totally own one to prove people that they can be lovely dogs

[katy_harvey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jIJz93J28

thats the documentary
theres more parts to it but you can click on them as you go along!

[Tassle]

(01-23-2012 05:17 AM)Arizahn Wrote:  How come you only realised the cute puppy was a pit bull after you saw who owned it?
Shadow was mistaken for a pit bull cross as a puppy...she is collie/whippet cross labrador.

I'm tired of dogs being stereotyped by breed. The KC should hang its collective heads in shame. The meanest dog I ever met was a Lhasa Apso, followed closely by a poodle. I've met some lovely bull terriers, and some nasty labradors. My neighbour has three lovely rottweilers. My sister has a jack russel terror - I mean terrier, no actually I meant terror, lol!
It's down to how the dogs are bred (temperament/health of their specific parents), and how they are raised (breeders/owner's). In other words, if you have a bad dog there is a worse human somewhere in its history.

The KC? Tis the government!!

Sadly too many people breed for money. and SBT and type are the 'in' dog.

Generally people do not have APBTs over here - they have SBT x's and call them Pits.

[jocap]

Today's "i" newspaper- a spin off from the Independent- is talking about the 6 year old girl who had her ear bitten off by a PB over the weekend. It reports that there are more PBs on the street since the knee-jerk law of 1991.....so few are reported, and only if there's been a serious wounding- which, as we know, can happen with any ill-treated dog.
At the same time it reports an increase from 3,377 dog attacks in 2001 to 6005 in 2011.
More irresponsible owners, most likely.
Jo.